'Game of Thrones' author slams 'Lost': Damon Lindelof gives EW his response

Ohhhh, it’s on.

Game of Thrones author George R.R. Martin says in the recent edition of The New Yorker that he doesn’t want the ending of his epic Song of Ice and Fire series to conclude like Lost. Below we have the public war of words, followed by an exclusive Q&A with Lost showrunner Damon Lindelof about Martin’s comments (he was actually reading Game of Thrones when all this went down!) and a look back at his feelings about the Lost ending.

First, here’s Martin in the profile: “We watched [Lost] every week trying to figure it out, and as it got deeper and deeper I kept saying, ‘They better have something good in mind for the end. This better pay off here.’ And then I felt so cheated when we got to the conclusion.” Martin also cites the Lost ending as the type of mistake he fears making with his own show, saying, “I want to give them something terrific. What if I f— it up at the end? What if I do a Lost? Then they’ll come after me with pitchforks and torches.”

Well, Lindelof had something to say about that. Quite a few things. And they were rather hilarious as well. Here are some of his tweets from over the last 19 hours: “In related news, my therapist just hit the jackpot  … George? You got yourself a feud, motherf–ker … Winter IS coming, bitch … I don’t take issue with his opinion, I take issue with the fact that he coined “Pulling a LOST” as empirically “f–king up the ending” … I’ve just been informed George is working on his feud response. I’ll have it in FIVE YEARS! … Two final thoughts, George. A. They weren’t dead the whole time. B. 1997 called. It wants its web design back … I stand by the ending of the show and defend it accordingly. Until I am worthy of the New Yorker, this is the platform I’ve got.”

Now, let’s hand things over to EW’s Darren Franich, who spoke to Lindelof in depth earlier today about the impending Great Geek War of 2011:

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: On the scale of epic literary feuds in history, how serious is this? Is this approaching Norman-Mailer-punches-Gore-Vidal kind of thing?
DAMON LINDELOF: I’m not entirely even sure that George Martin knows that he’s in a feud. When someone says something in an interview, the beauty of Twitter is that it’s a platform for instantaneous response. Unfortunately, he’s not on Twitter, and therefore, it’s not entirely a fair fight. But over the course of today, apparently he gave some other interviews — he’s sort of on an anti-Lost tour. So I think that qualifies as a feud.

We have calls out to his people. I’ll try to pass the word along if he ever emerges out of his Dance with Dragons bunker. Are you a fan of his books?
I’m actually a massive fan of his. I’ve only just begun Game of Thrones, because over the time that we were working on Lost, I didn’t read any books. I’ve spent the last year basically catching up on all the amazing television that I missed, like Battlestar Galactica, The Wire, Breaking Bad. I’ve just completely marathoned those shows. I was about 300 pages into Game of Thrones when this started. I was lying in bed last night with my iPad ready to continue sort of quietly seething at how much I love it. The stuff of his that I grew up on was this series that he wrote/edited called Wild Cards. My dad and I used to read it. It was sci-fi superhero mash-up, where these aliens release this virus into the atmosphere around the period of World War II and humans have one of three reactions. One is nothing happens. One is they become horrible deformed, and they call those people Jokers. And the other is they get superpowers, and they call those people Aces. And it’s sort of like this huge sprawling multi-character [story].

Was the Wild Cards series an influence on Lost?
Consciously or unconsciously, I’ve always been very upfront about saying that Lost was very much a mash-up of all the stuff I loved as a kid, and I’ve always gravitated towards multi-character storytelling.

In regards to what Martin did say about the ending of Lost, it seems like in the article there’s a fear of finishing off his series in a way that angers fans. Is that something that you can relate to?
Sure, although I think it’s not a foregone conclusion. The cynic in me says that there’s nothing that you can do to avoid that. [Fellow exec producer] Carlton [Cuse] and I were certainly aware of that. When we announced the end-date of the show, about two days or three days later the Sopranos finale came on, and we both thought it was, like, completely and totally, empirically brilliant. We were shocked to learn that there were a lot of people who thought it was a cop-out. At that moment in time, we had just negotiated the ending of Lost, we kind of looked at each other and said, “We’re screwed.” But the Ice and Fire saga doesn’t really have a mystery at its core. It’s more of a sprawling sort of epic. You’re talking about a resolution that’s going to be more dependent on who lives, who dies, who’s in charge, who’s good, who’s bad. When you take a show like Battlestar Galactica or Lost, which do have mysteries built in, and deep and dense backstory mythologies, it’s a very different landing to stick.

Are there any long fantasy stories that, to you, really nailed the landing?
I think The Lord of the Rings trilogy has a very satisfying ending, and there’s not really that deep of a mythological construct. The idea of these guys have a quest and the quest is to get this ring, throw it into a volcano, and that’s the end! That’s what they do. That is the story. I feel Return of the Jedi, which was the end to the trilogy that defined me as a storyteller, was satisfying. The fact that Luke gets to redeem his father, I thought, was beautiful, and I have no bones to pick whatsoever with that ending. There comes a point when, if something isn’t mentally popular, some of the fans aren’t necessarily reading what you are writing. It doesn’t mean that your version of the events is the empirical version, because it’s just a subjective art. That being said, you just have to tell the story that you want to tell, and I hope he doesn’t allow the chatter to change his mind about his ending. My understanding is that he already knows what the ending is going to be. That being said, something tells me I’m probably the last guy he’s looking to for advice right now.

Almost a year later, has it gotten easier to hear from fans who feel betrayed? Have your views changed at all?
I think of myself first and foremost as a fanboy. When I’ve always dealt with the issue of the show — when it was on and now — I try to think, “If I were a fanboy of Lost, what would I want the co-creators of the show to be saying?” The first thing I decided on was that it would be a mistake for me to completely ignore this controversy or polarization that’s surrounding the finale, because that’s what I would want me to be talking about. The idea that I would just be pretending that it wasn’t out there would be ridiculous. More importantly, I’m trying to speak honestly about how it affects me. You want [viewers] to be satisfied, and it hurts them hear say things like, “You betrayed me,” or “You made me waste six years of my life.” All I was doing was writing the story, in conjunction with a lot of other people. But I think [with] the emergence of social media, I put myself out there, because I genuinely care about what people think. I cannot say, “I don’t care what you think. What I wrote was true to me. Go eff yourselves.” I know that there are some people out there like that, and I find it to be an enormously admirable trait.

That always struck me as David Chase’s Sopranos mentality. “Deal with it!”
And it’s incredible admirable. I think that, in a lot of ways, Lost was portrayed as an open-sourced show. Even while it was on, Carlton and I made ourselves enormously accessible. Our “brand” was that we really cared what the fans had to say about the show. In the wake of the show, it would be disingenuous to not acknowledge the fact that people are still saying that. What’s fascinating is that, even on my Twitter feed, there’s still this polarization that occurs. People will say, “Martin’s got it right! You wasted six years of my life!” Yet they’re following me on Twitter! [Laughs]

A nice back-and-forth, sometimes with pitchforks and torches.
I’ll never be immune to criticism, and that’s okay, and I’m very comfortable with that. One of the things that I think I’ve evolved on is, I started from a very petulant place of, “If you didn’t like/get the Lost ending, then you’re not a true fan of the show.” And I began to realize, “Hey, wait a minute, there’s [other] stuff that I took issue with, but I still consider myself a fan of that.” Wasn’t crazy about the last Harry Potter movie, but I’m a huge Harry Potter fan, and a fan of most of the other movies, and I would be bummed if J.K. Rowling tried to strip me of my fandom. I’ve come around to saying, everybody has a right to saying that they didn’t like the finale, or even if the finale retroactively destroyed the entire series that they loved. And I have a right to say, “Well, we stand by the ending we wrote, and we make no apologies for it.” That being said, for your prototypical fan of the show to say that, it’s sort of like someone throwing a pebble at you. But when George R. R. Martin says it, it’s a boulder! Because he’s someone whose writing I admire, and the fact of the matter is I’m going to watch Game of Thrones, and I’m probably going to love Game of Thrones, and these comments that he made have no effect whatsoever on my ability to process and love his stuff. There’s not even a small part of me that wants him to screw up his ending, so he will understand my pain. I want him to stick the landing.

We’ve ended on a very diplomatic note. I imagined there would be more fire-breathing.
You can’t take it too seriously. We’re talking about TV shows, it’s not foreign policy. But when he uses phrases like “f—ing up the ending” or “I felt like someone dropped a turd on my doorstep,” you know: Look, Lost is my baby, and you don’t put baby in a corner. I feel duty-bound, just for my own sense of integrity, to respond publicly.

Out of interest, purely theorizing here, if you’d written Lost as a book series, how long would you have taken in between books? Would you have beaten his pace?
Not only would I have not beaten his pace, I simply am not capable of writing a novel. That is a skill set that I don’t have. Lost was written by a whole roomful of people.

I will see what his response is.
Good lord, don’t antagonize him! And please let him know I’m a fan.

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  • Cheery

    Lindelof needs to get over himself. They messed up big and he’s in denial. I watched the first season of Lost (and it was perfect), then quit early in season 2 when it became clear they had no idea where they were headed. I finally checked back in for the finale, which reaffirmed my earlier decision, since the show concluded with a clusterf-ck of “what they hell are we doing.”
    Time to face reality, Lindelof.

    • Josh

      So, you stopped watching halfway through the second season and deemed the show a failure because you didn’t understand the finale?

      • mmm

        The first season of LOST was perfect and even though I liked it less and less as it went on… I stayed with it, still maintaining some faith that it would end well.

        It didn’t. It had nothing to do with not understanding the ending. I understood it perfectly.

        It failed. Pure and simple. I was bummed and I was pissed that I stuck with it. I should have quit like Cheery.

      • Cheery

        What mmm said. Lost over-promised and under-delivered. They let the mythology spiral out of control and couldn’t back it up. The story got away from them and it was clear they had no clue how to tie it together.

      • AlsoJosh

        Listen I HATE the Lost ending with a PASSION, but you can’t call the show a failure if you quit watching it all…

      • Color Me Impressed

        All you people who quit the show half-way through, or who griped about the finale need to just get the f*ck over yourselves! The finale was a near-perfect work of breathtaking wonder and beauty, and they left with the perfect balance of questions and answers so that in the end you pretty much knew what had been going on the whole time, but there was still an undeniable sense of mystery and mystique. And besides, the uplifting emotion was so incredibly palpable! Thats what the show was all about b*itches; not scientific, specific “answers”.

      • Ian

        I loved the Lost finale. I would have felt cheated of the last third of season 6 was just a bunch of answers to mostly unimportant mysteries (hyped up by some fans who thought they were more important than they were) served on a platter. The show never gave answers easy to the mysteries that were important (and were answered), so changing that philosophy just to please the people who couldn’t figure things out for themselves would have been a cheat. The show was basically the story of Jack Shepherd, and I had zero questions about Jack when the show was done. besides, most of the griping I heard was about answers that were given, but completely flew over the heads of the specific complainers, or complaints like “See, they WERE dead the whole time”, when clearly they weren’t. I felt sorry for the people who watched the whole time and were disappointed in what I thought was a perfect ending.

      • Jason S.

        I thought the emotional “awakenings” in the finale were repetitive, overdone, and a huge waste of time. The sideways world much like Lost was awesome when it was going on because you were like What the F is this. Then you would try to figure out all these theories. But then the final reveal of what is was could never ever have been figured out because it was so lame you wouldn’t have guessed where they were going. Desmond hitting Locke with a car (irrelevant), The meeting with Farrady (irrelevant), To me it sucks when they are feeding you clues that are irrelevant. But the ride was fun. if there had been a real answer it probably would have been to easy to figure out. In fact I still strongly believe that they originally intended the Island to be purgatory but changed that when everyone figured it out in the third episodee.

      • Mike

        Season three was amazing. Sucks for you.

      • Nick K.

        Watch the series from start to finish as it airs instead of watching it on DVD without commercial interruptions and then talk sh#t. The finale wrapped up everything perfectly in a very poignant way. It was never about the mysteries, it was about the characters.

      • Meso Soup

        I loved the ending to LOST.
        Best. Series. Ever.

      • John

        Sorry, Cheery, but if you didn’t watch the show after season 2 and then just “checked in” for the finale, you simply have no authoritative leg to stand on. Case closed.

      • RCB

        It was the perfect ending for Lost. There was closure for all the characters.

      • Big Walt

        @ Nick – That’s a load of crap, it was as much about the mysteries as the characters. I still loved every bit of it though.

      • Ian

        @ Jason — There was a backup plan in place to make it purgatory if it wasn’t picked up for a second season, but your idea of changing a plan that didn’t exist in season 3 is silly. All you have to do is watch the Season 1 episode where they discover the caves and the skeletons to know they had a plan well in place from the start.

      • Mo

        The show spun around the Jack/Locke, man of faith/man of science duality. At first, it was a perfect balancing act between sci fi and metaphysical mystery. At the end, it spun out of control and firmly into “Jack wins, Locke loses, science did nothing but muck up the island, you must believe without question” camp. I’m sorry, but I am not going to accept that all these people had to sacrifice themselves for the island based exclusively on what an unhinged, mass-murdering zealot (the Alison Janney character) said, and clap and say “oooooooh” at the end. Those of us who wanted some sort of scientific explanation, or at least for that balance to carry through to the end, feel cheated with reason, I believe. So I agree with Martin that the ending was very disappointing. That said, Lindelof’s tweets are hilarious. And also, what Jason S. said.

      • @ Nick K.

        “It was never about the mysteries, it was about the characters.”

        That has got to be the biggest crock of s hit regarding this ENTIRE situation. I wish people who repeat this phrase would actually listen to how silly that sounds.

      • I. Mold

        Nick K – I don’t know from your comment if you’re for or against dvd, but I’m firmly in the dvd/streaming uninterrupted camp. The breaks every few minutes just ruin the tension for me. watch every season of all the shows I like, including Lost, on dvd (or lately, including Lost 6, on streaming) with no unwelcome interruptions, and occasionally in 2 or 3 episode segments (I’ve heard of people doing season marathons in a day or two). I know some people don’t like watching shows with “cliffhanger” endings, and I don’t care for them either; I like to watch the resolution on the next episode, then stop there, where it’s a more relaxing break. Dvd/streaming can be like watching a very long movie.

      • Hugo

        I hate the smug jerks who say people who hated the finale didn’t understand it. I loved the show and understood it. The finales of seasons 1 and 3 were some of the best TV I’ve ever seen. And the episode with Sun and Jin where she’s having the baby in a flashforward but he’s in a flashback was brilliant and heart breaking. The series finale was a kick to the gut compared to that standard.

    • Michael

      You have every right to be wrong, douchenozzle.

      • Ryan

        The finale of Lost was like the finale of Battlestar Galactica, a mixed bag. I did enjoy both finales but at the same time I felt some disappointment that there were not more answers or better answers than those that were given. Starbuck was a *spoiler* for the last season? Really? The Man in Black and Jacob were brothers? Yawn.

        Lost was about more than the characters; it was also about the mysteries of the island. Damon and Carlton can jaw on all they want about their ending but the fact remains that the show was marketed and written on the ‘mysteries of the island’ premise. If you need proof, look at how many cliffhangers were based on the mysteries. Over the course of the series there were answers, but not definitive answers to the most important questions or satisfying answers, in some cases, to those that were given.

        And I don’t like the “use your own imagination to fill in the blanks” arguement. It a cheap way out of explaining that they couldn’t come up with a great ending.

        BTW, the ending of the Sopranos sucked. At least Lost had an ending and despite its flaws, I enjoyed it. With a tinge of disappointment that has not faded with time.

    • JC

      Your opinion is irrelevant. You can’t offer any sort of reliable judgement on the series finale (episode nos. 120-121) having only seen something like 30 episodes. You could have said “I didn’t like the direction of the show early into season 2 and stopped watching”, and I’d have been okay with that.

      • toni

        I watched till the very bitter end, when the story was reduced to a simpleton’s version of sibling rivalry. Damon shut up!

      • Brenda Barrett

        I’m another one of the folks who LOVED this show for five years, couldn’t wait to get the box set and watch it all again and again, only to hate season six and especially the finale. I did feel my time had been completely wasted, I didn’t buy the DVD set, and I’ll never watch it again. It was a total f-up on the producers’ parts.

      • Mike

        Ab Aeterno was one of the most amazing TV episodes I’ve ever seen. I don’t care that the rest of season six was iffy to ok to meh. That episode made it all worth it.

      • Vince from NYC

        Like it or not, which I did, this comment board is filled with debate about the finally a year after it all ended.. Not much word on the fued or Game of Thrones.. I personally didn’t feel the need for a happy ending and everything tied up in a nice little bow. Part of me would have liked happier ending, part of me still misses the show and the rest kind of likes the fact that I can just use my imagination to fill in the blanks..

      • AK

        What about me? I watched every episode from the beginning and still hated the finale.

        Anyways, I was embarrassed by Lindelof’s initial response. Part of being an artist is being able to handle criticism well and he just turned into a little brat. But this interview clears up a lot. As long as he respects the right of “Lost” fans to hate the finale, I will respect the vision and passion they put into it.

      • senorplaid

        Vince, Vince, Vince. You got it all wrong. We DON’T WANT to use our imaginations any more — no time for that. We have to have ALL of our questions answered for us by the writers or we’ve been gypped.

        FWIW, the ending of Newhart was the best of any series. Shocking and gloriously satisfying.

    • MCS

      And you just proved your opinion is worth nothing on this subject.

    • Fortune

      so you watched the entire first season a couple of eps in the second season and then the finale? You have no cred on the subject.

      • Anna

        Agreed, his opinion is totally irrelevant

    • me

      I disagree. If you listen to their podcasts they gave hints as to the direction they were heading so your thoughts are incorrect if you think he didn’t have a plan.

    • jehu

      Like he says,”everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion”
      It’s my opinion that if you didn’t like the finale you didn’t understand the “Lost” Message. If you feel cheated because the lack of answers then you are missing the point. Lost was not about the nuts and bolts of how and why things happened, it was about the human experience, the rest is fantasy, the why, how and what happened is not any more relevant than knowing exactly how superman achieves flight.

      • Fergasmom

        Well said. I am in total agreement.

      • Color Me Impressed

        Exactly! You said it perfectly.

      • Brenda Barrett

        I didn’t feel cheated because of unanswered questions. I did “get it.” My expectation was for some happiness for SOME of these characters after their experiences on the island. Jin and Sun drowning, their kid orphaned, etc., etc. — all of these beloved folks met bleak ends — I was invested in seeing something better for them, and I mean in THIS life, not in heaven. It was a total cheat.

      • GetLost

        THIS. Lost was a philosophical exploration in narrative form. It was never about definitive, non-debatable answers, it was about asking the important questions and debating the conclusions.

      • Ian

        @ Brenda — No, a cheat would have been giving everyone a happy ending because you didn’t want a downer story. As for Jin and Sun, they did get a happy ending. When they got to the island they were fractured, distant, and unable to have a child. Their experience on the island brought them back together, gave them a child, and gave them the chance to finish their story together, in love, and on their own terms. If they hadn’t crashed on the island, they would have had none of that. Talk about missing the point, lol…

      • sils71

        Of course. Let’s all explore A is A by introducing a polar bear, power numbers, a guy who doesn’t age, and a four-toed statue. Because having characters who are all criminals/insane/jerks is not good enough to help us explore those black/white/gray areas in a series about moral codes and philosophical themes. And just when the discussion is getting good, let’s end with a final shot of Jack getting a hug. Because, at the end, all that matters is that Damon can live vicariously through Jack and get that all-important hug.

        It saddens me that shows like Grey’s Anatomy and pretty much every other soap opera out there don’t realize that they could make their shows appeal to a much broader audience if they would just add a polar bear and/or mysterious four-toed statue into the mix… In the series finale they could forget all about that and explain that it was all about the relationships anyway. And the “real fans” could then cry, agree that they never cared about smoke monsters, time travel, etc. anyway, and that they only wish the finale had included less action/fights and more Jack-hugging because *sniff* those who cared about smoky and the numbers instead of Jack’s hugs just don’t “get it.”

        Perhaps the next time they could add disclaimers letting the dumb, confused, shallow, not-“real” fans out there not to pay attention to the numbers, smoke monsters, the Others, and focus instead on whether Jack cries today. Disregard all the easter eggs, unexplained phenomena, book references. It’s all because of a nameless light that we don’t really need to talk about. But don’t worry, fans, he WILL get that hug and all is well in the universe!

        And we should amend the expression to “jump the (Dharma) shark.”

      • Jason S.

        I don’t mind not getting all the answers but those “emotional” awakenings in the Sideways world were so repetitive and sappy sentimental they were near unwatchable and actually ruined most of the characters. So in my opinion even if the story and show were about emotions and character they failed on that aspect as well. ANd it was the whole season. You build up this Big war between Ben/Widmore and then Widmore just gets shot! No explanation of the rules of the game they were playing and statements like “He’s changed the rules!” I have to hand it to the producers they are brilliant at writing elements of a story that could have multiple meanings and lead to speculation. WHich in restrospect is easy if you don’t plan to pay them off.

      • Be Kind

        Agreed.

      • LostFinaleFan

        Very well said, Jehu.

      • Ryan

        @GetLost – “Lost was a philosophical exploration in narrative form. It was never about definitive, non-debatable answers, it was about asking the important questions and debating the conclusions.”

        That was not how the show was written or marketed. Look at the cliffhangers. Most were based on the mysteries of the island. Let’s be honest here. They wrote themselves into a corner early on and never recovered. They realized this and instead of fixing the storyline, they compounded the problem in later seasons, knowing that they weren’t going to answer or give satisfactory answers to many of the mysteries.

      • Season 1-5 Lost Fan

        Great comment Sils71! All the cliffhanger shows had to do with the mysteries of the island, not with who’s feelings got hurt. But the simpletons still claim the show was never about the mysteries of the island…go figure.

      • Mo

        I am all with sils71. Very unscientifically, I would love to take a poll and see if people who hated the Lost ending fall more into the atheist/agnostic camp, and those who loved it tend to be believers. Because for me, it just seemed like the ending came down to following blindly what a crazy, mass-murdering woman had said, and so many beloved characters dying and suffering for it. Science loses, whacked-out religious fervor wins. I am not nit-picky with what and how many of the questions they answered, but to me, the fundamental question – what is the true nature of the island and why does it matter if people find it and what they do with it – was never answered, except by that one very very unreliable character, who also taught us through MIB that it’s wrong to ask questions and to want to know more about the world. You tell me, how can I love this?

      • Sabre

        ^^^THIS!!! I loved LOST and enjoyed the series as a whole. The writing throughout was engaging and the pacing except for that stalling in season 3 was wonderful but to not solve or give a reason for some of the most important mysteries presented was either misleading or just plain lazy. I don’t need the answer to everything they mentioned but give me the island origins and purpose and don’t make Daniel F. insignificant and all the other things that became red herrings, that shouldn’t. I’ll always love he ride but the ending……

      • therealeverton

        Explain all the

        “ANSWERS ARE COMING” ads then.

      • Jon Snow

        “My expectation was for some happiness for SOME of these characters after their experiences on the island. Jin and Sun drowning, their kid orphaned, etc., etc. —” @Brenda after that comment my suggestion would be, “SPOILER ALERT” stay away from A Game of Thrones.

    • Robin

      You need to get over it, he acted extremely mature.

    • bruno

      martin’s BANG ON. LOST bit it big time. glad martin’s got some sense and is trying to learn from lindeloff’s mistake. because YES lindeloff: IT WAS A MISTAKE. big one. you screwed up your ENTIRE show and you’ll go down in history for doing so. deal with it.

      • jabber

        Really? He’s going to go down in history for screwing up his show? Even though a majority of critics and audiences enjoyed the ending? Strange world we live in.

      • Tarc

        Do you have a study there, Jabber? Not that I care either way, but don’t justify your personal opinion with random numeric jibberish that isn’t based on fact. From what what I’ve read, most people were not happy with the end, even if they were moved by it. Also, in my opinion, the bare majority of people aren’t worth the oxygen they consume, so that doesn’t surprise me. I’m guessing I’ll enjoy the end when I get around to seeing it, and that’s all that really matters.

      • Mackey

        Do you have a study there, Tarc? Don’t justify your personal opinion with “from what I’ve read, most people were not happy with the end”. That makes you exactly the same as jabber.

      • jabber

        Tarc, I don’t personally have a study, but I’ve seen many of the online polls conduced, from the biggest fan sites to regular sites that counted thousands of votes. From those poll, the majority of fans liked the finale. And Metacritic had a score of 74 (indicating generally positive reviews) for the final episode itself. So I’m not justifying my own opinion with gibberish. The problem is that the minority of people who hated the finale are just more vocal about their hatred for it than the people who loved the finale are with their love for it.

      • jabber

        *conducted

      • Ryan

        @bruno & jabber – You are both wrong. I don’t think the ending of Lost was horrible but it wasn’t as satisfying as it should have been. If you take a poll, most people would say they liked the ending but there are MANY people like me who liked the ending but wished for more. I don’t think you can say that the ending ruined the series, but I don’t think you can claim it was more than moderately successful.

      • JaySin420

        He’s just pissed because the guy was totally right and he knows the phrase “pulling a Lost” is going to stick forever.

        I’ve seen every episode a few times each, I was a crazy fan until the final season. Total garbage, you can say they knew what they were doing but that final season shows no proof of it whatsoever.

        If you look back at Lost with an open mind you can easily tell they were going from season to season with the writing. Which isn’t a bad thing cause I’m sure that’s how most shows do it.

      • jabber

        @Ryan…”If you take a poll, most people would say they liked the ending but there are MANY people like me who liked the ending but wished for more.”
        Isn’t that essentially what I said? I didn’t say the majority of people thought it was perfect or flawless. I said a majority liked it and enjoyed it.

      • Tarc

        So, im other words, no, you don’t. But there is some indication (though a 76 metacritic is hardly favorable). Fair enough. And makey, I see you’re not quite bright enough to see that was the *point*.

      • Nick

        There is in no way a “Majority” of people who liked that ending. just cause some people are Ok with a mediocre ending, thats fine, but there are way more people that were not satisfied with that terrible ending. They tried to tell us from the start that its not purgatory, cause everyone freaking figured it out. So they changed it and blew the ending. I completely get every part of it, and to completely back off what they were going for, was a cop-out. Period.

      • @Tarc

        Anything between 61 and 80 on Metacritic is indicated as having generally favorable reviews, and above 80 means universal acclaim. If you look at the website, a 75 would be equivalent to a B grade. So yes, the 74 for the Lost finale is favorable.

      • Hue

        Spot on, Bruno. I watched every single episode of Lost and the last episode sucked. I love Martin’s books, and I’ve read them all multiple times. I’m so looking forward to this series, and I certainly hope that MArtin does NOT “Pull a Lost.”

      • RS

        @jabber

        I was replying to both you and Bruno. Bruno said the ending ruined the entire series. I disagree.

        I disagree with your point about the loud minority. If I took a poll I would say I liked the ending but in reality, I feel some of the same disappointments that are expressed by people who hated the last episode.

        I should have been clearer.

    • LAJackie

      Unless you watched all six seasons I don’t think you’re qualified to comment on whether the season finale was a satisfying conclusion or not. I, for one, loved Lost from start to finish – finale included.

    • Color Me Impressed

      All you people who quit the show half-way through, or who griped about the finale need to just get the f*ck over yourselves! The finale was a near-perfect work of breathtaking wonder and beauty, and they left with the perfect balance of questions and answers so that in the end you pretty much knew what had been going on the whole time, but there was still an undeniable sense of mystery and mystique. And besides, the uplifting emotion was so incredibly palpable! Thats what the show was all about b*itches; not scientific, specific “answers”.

      • Zombie Jesus

        Actually the show was marketed to be about solving the mysteries of the island. But it’s not like I can take the finale of Lost and apply it to any finale of any show out there right? Oh wait you can. The finale of Lost is about as interchangeable as a joke on Family Guy.

      • Ana

        The people who market the show are not the same as the ones who write the show. Damon and Carlton said all along that all questions couldn’t and wouldn’t be answered.

      • RS

        @Ana – The writers and producers were as much to blame as the marketing. They set this show up as a mystery then bailed when they realized they couldn’t tie everything up. You can pretend all you want to but that is the hard truth.

      • Zakry

        Whoa! Who says the “show was marketed to be about solving the mysteries of the island”? Who promised you that?

        That statement is an assumption, not fact. I’m surprised so many people blindly followed it!

    • kaydevo

      You watched the 1st Season and then the finale? Sorry man, you got no voice in this. How could you even form an informed opinion? O right, you couldn’t.

    • John D.

      I love how Cheery talks about Lost as though he/she actually watched the show through. Do you really think you’re allowed to judge the ending after watching less than 1/3 of the show? The sad thing is… I bet you do think that.

    • Steph

      First, I liked the ending of Lost. Secondly, I really like this Lindelof guy. He sounds mature and witty. To have even conceived Lost in the first place is impressive as hell.

      • Flip

        He didn’t. That was JJ Abrams.

      • elizabeth

        Er, it was actually JJ Abrams rolling an idea about a plane crash on a desert island by a network suit past Damon. Castaway meets Survivor. Damon signed on to help JJ write the pilot, and JJ has freely admitted that much of the backstory/myth was stuff Damon brought to the table. Then JJ went off to do movies, and Team Darlton was born.

    • The Lost Apostle

      You make some valid points but you have no right to make them. If you skipped 4 seasons of any show you are not going to understand anything. LOST’s finale wasn’t amazing but it gave FANS of the show some payoff. You gave up on the show so it makes sense that you wouldn’t understand any of it.

      • Nick

        It gave fans of Soap Opera’s a pay off, not fans of good writing and sci-fi. You know, like the show was supposed to be.

      • AnonT

        As someone who watched the first three seasons and skipped most of the rest, I thought the ending was crap too, but I thought the show was starting to go downhill well before that so maybe I’m not the typical fan. As a couple of people have stated, the series started off as a balance both between the characters who wanted to figure out and survive the island by science and those who wanted to survive by faith, and the show was split between giving us insights into the mysteries of the island through the characters’ discoveries and revealing new mysteries from the characters’ beliefs.

        As the show went on, the amount of it that was mysteries grew larger and larger while less and less got explained every episode. Those of us who sympathized with Locke early on and had a genuine interest in finding out more about what was going on with the island have every right to dislike the fact that the writers basically abandoned our half of the fanbase in favor of the other half. They didn’t even make Locke out to be a sympathetic bad guy – by the finale, it was “faith = 100% good, science = 100% bad”, and that was communicated both through the characters and the methods of storytelling. If that’s the type of story you like, go ahead and rewatch Lost, I’ll continue watching stories that don’t turn things into oversimplified good vs evil (or I’ll at least settle on stories that make science good and faith evil).

    • Tarc

      Regardless of what Lindeloff thinks, there are a lot of people (perhaps a majority of Lost fans) that really thought that they dropped the ball. Part of that may be the strong bias Americans have to both happy endings and tidy endings, but I haven’t seen the Lost finale yet (I got derailed just before the season 3 finale because of time restraints, but I’ll eventually watch the rest – I loved the show). I’m guessing that I’ll like the end; like Moore’s battlestar Galactica ending, I’m pretty sure the majority was just to damn stupid/ignorant/distracted to get it. But Lindeloff’s got to let it go, because pikcing a fight with the also brilliant Martin for expressing his (common) opinion is simply a massively stupid move. Martin didn’t coin the meaning of ‘pulling a Lost’ – it’s been out there in common usage since the night of the Lost finale (whether you agree or not).

      • GetLost

        Nah. It’s hardly common nor does it speak for the majority of Lost fans.

      • Casey

        “Pulling a Lost” is in common usage? Since when? I’ve only ever heard it on the internet. And I am sick to death of people acting as if there haven’t been other polarizing series finales. What about St. Elsewhere, The X-Files, The Sopranos, Battlestar Galactica, Seinfeld…I’m probably forgetting a ton. But you get my point.

      • Tarc

        Sorry, it’s common. *shrugs* As I’ve noted elsewhere in this thread, I’ll probably be a fan when I actually see the finale, but it doesn’t change widespread internet commentary that the Lost finale was inadequate. And I also used the example of BSG below.

      • kgb

        It’s now common knowledge you are an idiot too. It’s known as pulling a Tarc.

      • Tarc

        @kgb – Blah blah blah. Can’t handle the heat…

    • Chris

      Yeah I know the feeling… I also thought Lord Of The Rings sucked. I quit halfway book 1 and read the last page. What kind of crap was that…

      (a note: activate sarcasm detector!!!)

    • Pete

      Lindelof, I thoroughly enjoyed every episode of Lost!! The finale was fantastic! Thanks for 6 great seasons! Lost ranks #1 on my list of favorite shows.

    • kgb

      Thrones will not even be around long enough to have an ‘ending’.

    • Drew

      Haha, you’re an idiot.

    • Frank

      The question that should be asked is if you removed the finale from the equation, how did you feel about the show? Were you enjoying it up until that point? If you were then what is the problem? If you weren’t, then you have a legitimate gripe with the show (although I question why someone would continue to watch something they were unhappy with). If you stopped watching halfway through season 2 then your opinion is skewed.

      The show had ups and downs (what show doesn’t), but what really matters is how you felt about the journey. How it was going to end was not why I tuned in every week. Ultimately the journey was some of the best television in the last 10 years.

    • Rush

      Empirical. Damon, you use that word a lot. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    • Flip

      Agreed. I can’t believe Lindelof, that geeky little man, is still defending his AWFUL finale. I can’t believe I wasted 6 years of my life watching Lost only to be so horribly let down. Never again.

    • BG 17

      I understand that how Lost ended is going to affect every viewer differently – I think my disappointment came mostly from the amount of people who found it perfect, or even tolerable (I’m looking at you Doc Jensen, who had theories on a weekly basis that were ten times better than what Lindelof and Cuse came up with, and then you seemed to be okay with the Hallmark channel ending). I love that Lindelof and Cuse are finally being taken to task. Go Team Martin!

      • Sabre

        @BG 17 – Couldn’t have said it better myself. I think a lot of love I had for this show was exponentially multiplied by Doc’s recaps and theories. I could think of 5 Doc had that were better than the actual and I’m not happy to say that. I wanted to love the final ep and as an extension, season 6 as a whole but while it was emotional it just didn’t satisfy my curiosity that was fostered for 6 years about this universe.

    • ari

      How do you call a show a cluster**** when you quit early in the second season??? Lol…your opinion doesn’t matter to the real fans of Lost…..

    • T2

      Anyone who self-identifies as a *cringe* “fanboy” automatically loses ANY argument or contest.

    • Mike B

      I saw every episode and Cheery is right. Lindelof is in denial. What is he going to say, “we effed up”?

      That ending was such a rip off and easy way out.

    • Cuttler

      No Cherry, YOU think they messed up big. I loved the way the show ended and was very happy with it. I was from the day I saw it the frist time and am just as happy with it today.

    • Arya

      If you watch the entire series, you can plainly see they had to have known where it was going. There are events and clues in early seasons that brilliantly foreshadowed what would happen later. Did they have an outline for every plot twist, sub-plot, and line of dialogue? No, but they definitely had a road map.

      As for people who watched season one and then skipped to the finale… why would you even offer an opinion on the matter?

      I’ve seen the entire series four or five times now and it continues to fascinate me in its complexity and many layers. Lindelof is a genius.

    • Sadies Reinhard

      It takes integrity to react the way Lindelof handled this interview. LOST is some of the most genius writing of our time. I have been a fan from the first episode to the last and while I will never call it ‘perfect,’ I was satisfied and felt it to be fantastic. I think it is disgusting when people say they wasted 6 years of their life. If you hated the finale then you wasted the last season, not 6. As a creative writer, am a fan of both the show and Damon and Carlton as writers. I stand by them and the show.

    • BLT

      LOST ruled and I’m sad it ended. Devoted fan since the pilot episode. Wasn’t happy with the end at first, but I don’t think anything would have satisfied me, because I didn’t want it to end. Now, after re-watching, I was quite satisfied with the ending.

    • saty

      Martin is COMPLETELY correct!!!!!!!

    • Abby

      hehe i”m gleeful about people who dropped out of Lost because they couldn’t grasp concepts that weren’t spoon fed to them, that they might have to look something up or *gasp* read a book! ack! and I love it even more when those same d-bags say the ending sucks LOL cracks me up!

    • Ran

      The ending was the “they’re all dead” ending that producers promised they wouldn’t uuse; it was even mocked on SNL…and then the producers went ahead and stuck a “they’re all dead” ending on the show. I’m sorry but as lovely as the ending was, it did take the easy ending. All they needed was Bobby Ewing to step out of the shower and proclaim it all a bad dream. Many others who worked on the show said the writers never had a clue where they were going; the show is based on some network guy’s vauge pitch. I’d say Lost was terrific, but does Lindelof really think he earned that ending?

    • Mandy

      ITA re Lindelof. The first year was great (except for the silly smoke monster and polar bear) and they never did figure out a decent resolution. Also, he misuses “empirically.” For that matter, Hibberd needs to learn the diff between “in regard” and “regards.”

    • Joe

      Lost didn’t stick the landing. For the first 5 seasons, I went back and rewatched all the episodes before the new season started. The final season? I have zero desire to sit and watch it again. It was not great TV and it was a poor ending to what started out as one of the greatest shows I had ever seen. It wasn’t the fact that the show ended and broke my heart that made me feel this way. It’s the fact that the entire final season was a con. Lost would have been pretty much perfect if the story was the only people still alive on the planet were on the island and when the Losties finally escaped the island they found out there was nothing else left. That there was some kind of apocalypse event that put them on the island. Then when Jack led everyone off the island, instead of saving them he would have doomed them since they couldn’t go back to the one place where life sustained. It would have been perfect, tragic and maybe even hopeful that they could rebuild from the rubble with no other choice. Instead all this afterlife nonsense in the final season was bad storytelling and the creators missed the mark. I’m a Lost fan, but the final season has led me away from the show and I haven’t watched it again since then. All of my Blu-rays are just collecting dust. They killed the show for me by wrapping it up the way they did.

  • Merrydan

    Woah. Lindelof went from 0 to nasty in record time.

    • steph

      i know! meow!

  • Wendy

    Damon Lindelof needs to get a life. All the Lost fans got screwed. I held on faithfully til the end and my reward was a big huge pile of crap. If I was Mr. Martin I’d be afraid of “pulling a lost too”. Face it Lindelof, you blew it big time.

    • Dave

      No, all the Lost fans did not get screwed. Believe it or not, there are more people who liked or loved the finale than there are people who hated it.

      • toni

        Yes a church going to heaven, wtf? An ending only a 5 yr old could like. Some people are masochists and brain dead too.

      • rip van winkle

        Shut up. I liked the finale.

      • Laura

        Exactly! It was frustrating and bittersweet but worth the 6 year investment. Once in a lifetime tv.

      • Jeanne

        Just because we liked the finale doesn’t mean we’re mentally deficient in some way. Grow up.

      • Clair de Lune

        woah woah woah, can people calm down? seriously, if you liked it, fine. if you hated it, fine. but calling someone brain dead, or a masochist, or saying that the ending failed just because YOU didn’t like it proves to everyone that you don’t understand how opinions work. I watched from the very beginning just like you, and I happened to love the ending. So can I just go on living my life, or should I call you all morons for disagreeing with me?

        CALM. DOWN.

      • buffyluva

        how do you know, dave? did you take a poll? personally, put me in the “hated it” camp. there was much to lost that i loved and enjoyed. but the final season was hit or miss when it came to summing up the series. and the final reveal was one of the most uninteresting theories that had been tossed around since the beginning(that they avidly denied) hence, the disappointment. i’m tired of those who say the ending was irrelevant. it was not. if the show was only about the human experience, then there wouldn’t have needed to be an “ending” in that sense at all.

      • jabber

        I’m with Clair de Lune and Jeanne. Kind of pathetic when the people who hated the ending feel the need to insult anyone who liked it. As if being emotionally invested in some of the best TV characters is some sort of mental flaw.
        And buffyluva, I agree with Dave. I’ve seen numerous polls for how people felt about the ending, and just about all of them had about a combined 70% (give or take) in the “liked it” and “loved it” camps, with the remaining 30% in the “disliked it” and “absolutely hated it” camps. It’s fine if you hated it, but a majority of people liked it. That’s all Dave is saying. So it’s annoying when people come out here and try to speak for all the fans of the show, saying we were ALL let down, when in reality, the people who were let down are a minority, albeit a VERY vocal minority (certainly more vocal than the people who liked the finale).

      • Ian

        @ Jabber — Actually there were polls on The Fuselage and Dark UFO ( the 2 biggest Lost websites), and with thousands of votes cast, it was overwhelmingly praised by those FANS who voted. Get over it, you’re in the minority.

      • Steph

        I think the fact that the ending got SUCH extreme reactions kind of proves that it was brilliant. Most brilliant works of art are either loved or hated…

      • jabber

        Umm, Ian, did you mean to direct that comment at someone else? I liked the finale and I stated in my comment that the majority of people liked it.

      • Tarc

        Claire – I have no investment either way since I haven’t seen the finale yet, but there IS a bottom line: the finale did make sense or it didn’t. It did wrap up the plot satisfactorily or it didn’t. It was emotionally satisfying or it wasn’t. And while you can jabber about ‘opinions’ all you’d like, the bottom line is that there are FACTS involved, and people DO have wrong, incorrect, biased, or just plain idiotic opinions, and they DO NOT have the same weight as all of the others. Ahem.

      • Scott

        Sorry you are wrong here, the majority of people I know hated the ending.

      • @Scott

        The majority of people that you know hated it means the majority of all people hated it? Interesting. I’m sure your group of friends is an adequate sample size.

      • Ian

        @ Scott – Wow. You must have a huge amount of friends watching the show to use it as a sample size to prove that the polls of thousands on 2 Lost sites full of fans isn’t correct…..idiot…..BTW, there were a dozen people at my house for the finale, and it was 11-1 in favor of “LOVE IT”, and the one who didn’t based her opinion on not getting 2 mysteries answered. She changed her opinion when it was pointed out that those 2 mysteries WERE answered, and she just couldn’t figure it out because she was kind of clueless. How’s that for a sample?

      • Arya

        I am so tired of people saying they hate the ending because it promoted Christianity or heaven or because “they were all dead” or because they forgot to explain where the darn polar bear came from. None of these things are true and if you think they are, you did not get it! I don’t understand why people who didn’t pay attention while watching the show are running around the internet propagating misinformed opinions about it.

    • Brilliant

      I thought the ending was great – didn’t tie everything up neatly in a bow and required the watcher to form some of their own opinions, rather than being spoon-fed answers. Kind of like the rest of the series.

    • Chris

      I’m one of the many Lost fans who didn’t feel screwed…

      • Ran

        I liked the finale, but I also know it was a cheap way out. “It’s Purgatory” was not the way to go, not after the writers swore they’d never take that very obvious way out. By the way, this is all a dream. There is no feud. It’s all a dream….

    • Kestrel10

      The Lost finale could never ever satisfy all of the fans. It was impossible. Same with BSG. In both of those shows cases I thought the finales remained true to the characters. I didn’t care about all of the nonsense secrets of the island. Ultimately, I wanted the characters to be true to themselves. I thought Lost succeeded on that level. If you were more focused on all of the secrets you probably unhappy. I understand that view, but I don’t agree.

  • Chosen

    Lindelof is right and has very reason to be upset, it’s a matter of opinion, if you didn’t like the ending of Lost, that’s fine but “pulling a lost”? that’s a low blow, George should respect that ending a long running series is hard and you can’t please everyone, he should have respect for Lost at least on a writers level, not trying to drag something unrelated to his work though the mud.

    • Zombie Jesus

      Awww ending a long running season is hard, so that means you should just take a shortcut to a satisfying end? Do you also instill that type of behavior to your kids. “Hey son, if you can’t finish the race, just cut across the field. As long as you cross the finish line, right?

    • L

      Agree 1000%. Until George stops watching the Jets and taking trips around the country and actually finishes the series, then he can open his mouth and say one word about how ASoIaF may or may not end. Until then, “pulling a Martin” has, does, and will mean having NO ending.

      Talk about a pot without a bottom trying to call a kettlel black.

      • krayzeman

        The loudest who speak are sometimes very few and dont always represent the majority. I loved the season finale! Actually the whole 6th season was great storytelling and to just let it linger on for the sake of just answering “questions” and solving “mysteries” sort of defeats the purpose. If people felt they got robbed why did they hang around for so long watching the series?? It must have been SOMETHING good that kept you coming back each week! I read these posts and these CANT BE some of the same people were the week after week reading Jenson’s post commenting on how great Lost was. You’re gonna let a season finale that you spoil your WHOLE Lost experience?? Man, please. Far as im concerned 2nd to The Wire this was the greatest series ever made…

      • mejaki

        Exactly. People who take a 10 year break–IN THE MIDDLE OF A FREAKING SERIES–don’t have a leg to stand on. I’m a fan of George Martin’s work, but those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

      • MM

        Word. By this point, even if Martin does manage to finish, I don’t see how he’s going to pull off an ending that can live up to the expectations fans have been developing for years now.

    • Arya

      Chosen is absolutely right. Martin’s statements are classless and unprofessional. Publicly criticizing other artists’ work is in poor taste. He owes Lindelof an apology and then he needs to remember the old adage, “If you don’t have something nice to say…”

  • gera

    I am sick of morons misinterpreting lost, and acting like they are right.

    • Thom

      Or maybe people “got” the ending and still think it sucks.

      • J

        That’s clearly not the case with Martin. He believes the characters were dead all along, which means he did not understand the finale.

      • Josiah

        (Replying to J@8:56PM):

        Not necessarily. All Martin said is that he thinks that he felt cheated by the ending, which is possible even if you understand it properly. (Personally, I liked the ending in the church, but found the ending on the island lacking.)

      • Tarc

        Or, like the ending of Moore’s Battlestar Galactica (which was brillaint), and most people really are freaking morons and didn’t get it. Considering the world as it is today, I think there is an excellent case for a vast majority of morons as a problem with nearly everything humans do.

      • RS

        @Thom – “Or maybe people “got” the ending and still think it sucks.”
        LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • RS

        @Tarc – Just because some people don’t agree with your views does not make them “morons”. Why do you feel the need to attack people who have different opinions than you? Are you that insecure?

      • Tarc

        @RS – People get called morons because they ARE morons. It has nothing to do with any specific opinion, but REALITY. Apparently, some people cannot draw the distinaction between FACT and random internet blather – or they can’t watch an hour of TV and factually recount what happened, or their mental faculties or education is so poor they can’t follow basic plot elements. That is moronic by definition. And that should come as no surprise; one in five have an IQ of 80 or below (literally dumb as a box of rocks), and there are a lot of other factors.

      • Mo

        Wow, Tarc, that must have been an amazing scientist who managed to measure the IQ of a box of rocks so that you can categorically state that 80 and under is LITERALLY it. Also, please let me know how you can quantify emotional satisfaction – as in your post above – so that you can present it as a fact. How about I set mine at the Lost finale at a tepid 35%. I’d say Jehu’s was 100%. Which one adds up to fact for you? I get it, you feel very passionately about the issue, but it helps to make the point without resorting to name calling and very non-factual rebuttals with even more name calling, because even if you make a good point (I wouldn’t know, I didn’t watch BSG), you alienate far more people than you convince. Instead, you just totally come across as Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.

  • Josh

    Authors who “want to do something fantastic” with an ending of a series usually fail to do so if they didn’t have an ending in mind. That’s the main point I have gotten from this article: he has no ending.

    • Meier

      The main point I got is that Martin feels the need to bring up the mega-successful “Lost” in order to net more people into his project. BIG failboat – he just divided a large possible audience in two. Hardly any “Lost” lovers will forgive him for this.

      • crispy

        That’s stupid. I’m a huge Lost fan, but I don’t have any ill will toward Martin. In fact, I think this whole drama is amusing, and I hope that “pulling a Lost” and “pulling a Martin” both enter into the common vernacular (Jacob only knows “jumping the shark” needs a replacement stat!).

  • Mimi

    Pulling a lost you say?? you mean pulling an awesome!

    • Green

      I awesomesauce LOST.

      • Mimi

        I awesomesauce that comment

      • Clair de Lune

        @Green @Mimi YES. thumbs up for LOST and the word “awesomesauce”

      • Tessieholic

        I salsa LOST’s face.

    • Fortune

      of course!

    • Scott

      I loved Lost, but the ending sucked. Total let down into some feel good religious nonsense.

      • Haj

        The ending was neither religious nor non-religious. Sure, it took place in a church in purgatory, but the moving-on part was brilliantly left open to interpretation. The show, and how it portrayed misguided faith and lack of answers, was a perfect metaphor for humanity’s search for answers: We can each embrace whatever faith or belief we want, but until we die we’ll never have the true answers.

        Maybe they walked through the church into the pearly gates of Heaven, or into newly reincarnated lives, or maybe they walked OUT from an alien experiment.

  • Aiden

    I’m with Lindelof here. It’s not like he’s furious that George Martin didn’t like how Lost ended, he’s bothered by the fact that he rudely coined “do[ing] a Lost”, meaning “f—ing up an ending.” That’s offensive to anyone.

    I’m one of the folks that actually loved how Lost ended, but I do understand where the other naysayers come from. However, I do believe the creators knew EXACTLY what they were doing. They did not fail the disappointed fans, they just had a different idea and meaning in mind when they constructed the series. If that didn’t go well with others, that’s fine. Just don’t say they messed up an initially good show because the core and heart of the show was kept intact up until the end. It just wasn’t what others perceived it to be.

    • Anna

      I agree. Martin is a moron. If he didn’t like the ending, i really don’t care at all, people are entitled to their opinion. But the fact that he used the term “pulling a lost” is juvenile and disrespectful. Well over 70% of the audience were satisfied and he just pissed them off, myself included.

      • GetLost

        No kidding. Maybe pulling a Martin can now be a nicer way to say talking out of your a**.

    • Just sayin

      Sounds like George Martin’s pulling a Homer.

    • buffyluva

      oh come on, thin skins. you people take his comment too seriously. i don’t think it was offensive or disrespectful at all. and how do you know that 70% of people were satisfied.

      • bb

        His remarks would not have the same reaction if he said “pulling a Soprano” now would they.

      • Anna

        I know that 70% of the audience were satisfied because of polls i have seen. On this website somewhere there is a poll that supports what i said. And you probably didn’t find the comment disrespectful because you didn’t like the finale.

    • Adam

      How on earth can you claim the writers knew exactly where Lost was going when they flat out admitted they didn’t!!! In multiple interviews they claimed they threw stuff in not sure where it was headed. For instance…the Hatch. They had no clue whatsoever what the hatch was going to be about during season 1. They just knew there would be a Hatch that they’d open in the finale of the series. I watched every episode of every season. There were certainly entertaining moments. But I agree with Martin…they screwed up the ending. Too many mysteries that should have added up to something were either abandoned or not fleshed out properly. I thought the Alt-world “afterlife” was a creative idea, but it came at the expense of the narrative that drew me to the show to begin with…..the island.

      • Aiden

        Don’t take it so literally, it meant that the Lost creators knew exactly how the end was going to look like. That doesn’t mean they knew where each and every storyline would go. The end depicted the whole point and essence of the long journey of each character, not solved every single mystery.

        Once again, you can think that they screwed up the ending. Sure, you didn’t like this and that about Lost. I’m pretty sure Lindelof knew going into a serialized show that he won’t satisfy each fan by the end. That’s your opinion to not like it as a viewer that everybody respects. That’s not the point of this argument, though.

      • Mo

        Aiden, I disagree with you on whether the writers had more than a nebulous idea of where the whole thing was going, but can I say thank you, thank you, thank you. Your posts are an example of what we should all aspire to in an online discussion: to give our opinion clearly and respectfully, and express our disagreement wiith somebody while treating them with respect and consideration. Beautifully done. Anna, not so much with the “Martin is a moron.”

  • Brett

    Kind of makes me hope the “Game of Thrones” series ends with the entire cast meeting the cast of “Lost” in the same place that “Lost” ended.

    • Kevin

      Dear god no. It was lame enough the first time… I will never step into a church again because of how lame the LOST ending was. Bad memories.

      • D

        That sounds like a personal problem… nothing to do with Lost.

    • GetLost

      And then get thrown out on their butts by Christian Shephard.

  • Zombie Jesus

    Thank you George RR Martin. You speak what no one else wants to admit. Because it hurts to tell other people that after 7 years of watching Lost, there were no mysteries. Just angels and heaven and lights at the end of the tunnel. Screw the polar bears.

    • Devin Faraci

      Exactly! Keep your fairy tale Christianity crap out of science fiction!

      • Kat

        If you thought it was about Christianity, you’re being pretty short-sighted. Spirituality, sure. Christianity specifically – no. For one thing, as far as I know, most Christian denominations don’t have any sort of limbo involved in their afterlife beliefs. For another…take a good look at that “church” in the finale. They basically made “Coexist” stained glass windows for it.

      • Dgently

        @Kat: Limbo was a tenet of Catholocism for a long, long time. Purgatory remains a Catholic belief. And just sticking a bunch of multi-faith symbols on the windows of a Christian church does not make the ending of Lost non-Christian.

      • Arya

        I understand why hardcore sci-fi fans didn’t like the church ending but there is nothing religious about it. Funerals usually take place in churches. The characters are “moving on” together. They could go to heaven, come back reincarnated, or their lights can just go out. The beauty of the Lost ending is that you can see it any way you want. The writers didn’t try to tell us what to believe. In fact, my take was that they were acknowledging that we all die and none of knows what happens after that.

        It’s worth noting that almost everyone who has “died and come back” reports visions of seeing their loved ones. So, empirically, the finale is more based on reports than religion.

        I think that staging the finale in the church caused a knee-jerk reaction in a lot of anti-religious viewers. I understand that, but I wish those people would look more closely and objectively at it. If you take the church out of the equation, there’s very little religious undertone. Spiritual questions and ideas, but not religious undertones.

      • Josiah

        @Dgently, the concepts of limbo and purgatory may be Catholic, but the portrayal of the world the Losties created — based on their good and bad actions in their previous lives, and escapable only by letting go of worldly attachments — owed much more to Buddhist cosmology. It wasn’t just the symbols on the wall; it was practically a seminar in Mahayana philosophy.

    • Jessica

      I wasn’t a creator or writer of the show, but I always thought the point was that it made the viewers question. ALWAYS question. Why would they ever leave the viewers with anything less? Every single viewer would admit that in the middle of all of the “what the hell is going on here?! I hate this show! I hate it!” (credit to Dane Cook for the line), one of the things we all actually loved MOST about the show was that we were left with the questions. Personally, I would have hated the show if everything had been neatly and nicely wrapped up in a pretty little box whereby they say, “okay, here are ALL the answers. Stop thinking for yourself.” To this day, my friends and I STILL have deep conversations and philosophize over moments of the show and the show as a whole. LOST was an amazing experience that won’t ever be replicated. If you want the polar bears, write your local chapter of the Screenwriters Guild and say something.

      • Adam

        But they did cop out!!! They gave every single solitary character a happy ending!!! There is nothing to question!!! They died and eventually met together in heaven!! The end!! To create mystery and intrigue to bring about a questioning audience only works if you actually have answers. Then you use subtle story telling devices to lead the audience to the answers on their own. But Losts creators didn’t have the answers themselves so there was nothing to lead the audience to. You want to have deep meaning conversations about a TV show??? Watch the Wire. David Simon stuck the landing.

      • sils71

        Yes. I think it’s stupid for shows like the Mentalist, Castle, and all the cop shows to actually tell us who did it. Provide clues, let the viewer try to guess, and then end with the lead character getting some ice cream. Game shows should not tell participants and those playing along at home if they got the answers right. Comedies should set up a joke, and let the viewers try to figure out what the punch line should be on their own. Romantic comedies should end BEFORE the couple gets together. And why do we open birthday presents anyway, when we can just leave them wrapped and guess what’s in there? There’s a polar bear with all the real answers to Lost in mine.

      • Zombie Jesus

        Really? You like a show that just leaves you with questions? Then why ever finish a show? Next time you watch American Idol just stop watching after they pick the contestants. Next time you watch House just stop after you see the symptoms. Next time you watch Fringe stop after Fauxlivia is kidnapped. Next time you watch Castle just stop after you hear the suspects’ names. I mean it’s not like they marketed Lost to be about finding answers to the Island’s mysteries. Oh wait, they did.

      • Dgently

        @sils71: I am LOVING your comments. : )

      • Mo

        Yay, Fringe! That’s a show that is actually doing a great job of keeping a compelling mythology, answering questions as it goes along, and not overextending itself with it (so far, keeping my fingers crossed…)

  • LOL

    When did “showrunner” become an official title? I don’t see it listed on credits anywhere.

    • T2

      somewhere along with ‘fanboy’. gay x 3.

      • me

        actually is a very widely used term in the film and television industry – look it up.

      • T2

        That does not mean it’s not completely GAY.

  • FrankTheTank

    Martin should probably stop and think that he would have to bend over backwards to capture any of the magic that Lost produced for even a season and for that he should be grateful if that happens.

    This will all seem really funny when Game of Thrones bombs.

    • James

      Game of Thrones will not bomb and everything that made Lost great in its early seasons was ruined by the later seasons because nothing was answered. It was the mysteries that made Lost seem like some brilliant show but it turns out it all meant nothing.

      • Fangirljen

        Your “nothing was answered” comment is laughable. I have no questions that are unanswered because the answers are there, just not spoken outright. Watch the epilogue on DVD extras and you’ll be glad the answers were not spoonfed, it would have been horrible television. Visit the lost answers blog (Google it) and you’ll learn how to pay attention when watching multi-layered stories.

      • Ru

        I’m sorry, anyone who thinks all the answers were there is just kidding themselves. It’s not a desire to have everything wrapped up in a neat little bow, it’s simple story telling technique – if the gun shows up in Act 1, it needs to fire by Act 3. Loose ends are one thing – LOST threw in a whole bunch of bombs, never detonated half of them, and then instead of just letting them linger (at least) they pretended they were never relevant by having the whole thing and with, “And everyone goes to heaven.”

      • Mark

        Actually, all important mysteries were addressed. Do you really care to know what exactly that light in the middle of the island was? Should there have been a whole episode explaining the science and metaphysics of the island so that everyone could fully understand the true nature of it? That would have ruined the narrative of the story severely. Any show or movie that spoon-feeds the answers to you is terrible (i’m thinking of the Star Wars prequels in particular). Oh, but we wouldn’t want to be able to interpret things for ourselves, or understand them in our own unique way. No, that would be far too difficult in this day and age.

    • Sra

      I was a huge fan of Lost and watched it faithfully and even re-watched the whole series every season before the next one came out. The ending sucked and it was a huge disappointment, in my opinion. I feel that it could have been so easy for them to just tie up a few loose ends, not ruin everything that came before it by suddenly going it, oh, they’re all dead. Sorta.

      And Game of Thrones will not bomb, sorry. Don’t talk if you know nothing about the books. They have an excellent basis to make this show and they seem to be very faithful to that basis.

      • K

        They did tie up loose ends, more than a few…and they were all dead, but you don’t know how long some of the others’ lives lasted once they got off the island. Everybody dies at some point. I thought it made for a very thoroughly complete ending to finish with all of them as they prepare for whatever comes after life as we know it, whether that’s heaven or releasing your psychic energy to the cosmos or whatever. But that’s just my opinion. I can see how it might seem kind of depressing that they all ended up dead, but Jack did manage to get a handful of them safely back home so that they could live out their lives and then meet their friends again at the end. For me, that was a very sweet and hopeful end.

    • Scott

      If the show is even a fraction as good as the books it will be a huge hit. The books are some of the best I’ve ever read.

  • Loch Ness

    “Pulling a Lost” = kicking ass.

    • Kevin

      I think you mean: Pulling a LOST = kicking ass for 6 1/2 seasons but ultimately screws the pooch with the whole “flash-sideways is the afterlife” quasi-religious bullcrap.

      • Dan

        If you didn’t see the religious aspect of the show coming, then you were paying attention.

      • Frank

        6 1/2 seasons?

      • D

        What are you talking about Dan? Christian Shepard is in no way a religious name.

      • K

        LOL @ D. Right on, dude. Seriously, the entire show was about faith – in the island, in Jacob, in Jack, in one’s self. How early on did this exchange happen? Locke: Why do you find it so hard to believe? Jack: Why do you find it so easy? Locke: IT’S NEVER BEEN EASY!

      • Scott

        Bingo right on point. Was a good show but the ending was a huge cop out.

      • Mr. Eko

        Yeah, I agree with Dan.

  • Fortune

    By pulling a LOST does he mean his show will be talked about for years and years? Cause thats a good thing. In every tv show finale and final installement in a movie/book or even comics people are either gonna love it or hate it. Seinfield anyone? loL. Lets see if Game of Thrones can get through one season. Dont worry about screwing up the ending when you’re just getting started. And the LOST ending was awesome IN MY OPINION. Sopranos anyone??? loL.

    • ThatChaplainGuy

      Just because a story is talked about for years and years doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good. *Cough!* Star Wars Prequels! *Cough!*

    • Adam

      The Sopranos ending was great. The whole show was from about Tony and his perspective so when he died the show ended. Remember all that talk about when you get shot you never hear it coming? Your dead before you hear it?? He got shot by the man in the members only jacket.

      • LostFinaleFan

        Funny how so many people who hate the Lost wrap-up loved the Sopranos finale, when that ending made so little sense. A gunman’s going to shoot Tony in a restaurant in front of his family and all those witnesses? How does this fit with mob m.o. (or common sense) AT ALL? Then Chase openly mocks the fans who correctly decipher his “Last Supper” setup? Shut it, d*ck. At least Lost’s writers treated their fans with respect. And they told us many months in advance that they’d be answering the main questions, while leaving the rest to informed speculation. And that is exactly what they did. Props.

      • Dgently

        @LostFinaleFan: Umberto’s Restautrant. Little Italy, NY. There really was a mob hit in front of “all those witnesses.”

    • Ted

      I know I’m really really late on this, but looking back on what you said about GOT, how stupid do you feel today?

  • James

    I love George RR Martins books but his website does look like its from 1997 lol

    • Clair de Lune

      hahaha it really does

      • Sadies

        Jessica: your comment is my favorite.

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