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Tonight, with the second part of the two-part Community finale, NBC proved that it really is “More Colorful” as the members of our favorite study group painted Greendale Community every shade of the spectrum. Tonight’s episode capped off a sophomore season filled with stunt guest appearances, too many meta gags to count, and an epic episode that began as a Pulp Fiction spoof but morphed into an homage to My Dinner with Andre. In a chat with EW, creator Dan Harmon recaps the madness/genius of the season and teases what’s in store for one of network TV’s most fearless comedies. [SPOILER ALERT]
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY So you ended the season with a bit of a cliffhanger, as to whether Pierce will come back. There’s been a lot of Pierce drama this year—were you building up to that moment all season?
DAN HARMON: For the last two seasons, with a few rare exceptions, I’ve never really planned anything more than six episodes in advance because I just was never confident enough to do so. In TV, you’re always roughly six weeks ahead of the all-important experience of watching the show along with the audience. It wasn’t until the paintball episodes that we actually talked about ending the story in that particular way.
Will season 3 begin by addressing his return?
Yes. Nobody’s going to wake up in the beginning of the season and just hit the reset button. It’s going to be an issue that we use to tell a few stories in the third season, for sure.
You really went all out this season with the meta storylines and some crazy experimentation. Are you going to try any of the crazier stuff, like the stop-motion episode, again in the next season?
The stop-motion thing is up in the air right now. Because we didn’t plan that [far] ahead enough, the words “Christmas episode” around my parts means “difficulty.” Right now, it’s a bad time to even utter the words, which makes it difficult to even think about doing another one. But that stuff tends to wear off. It’s like childbirth — the chemical is released that makes you [want] to have another kid — but that’ll be a couple weeks down the road. As for other stuff, I really, really loved the response that people had to the fake clips show episode. If we do it again, I would like to go into it knowing that we were going to do it from the beginning of the season and be able to really do the hell out of it. As impressed as people were with that one, I think I could do one three times better if we saw it coming.
This season was so rich in terms of spoofs and stunts — are you going the same route for season 3?
What I really want to do is dimensionalize the characters even more than we have so far. If you thought of [the show] as a four-chapter story — I have a circular story model in which stories are generally kind of four beats long — it’s in the third one that major changes occur and have consequences. You get plunged across a threshold in the first act. The second act causes you to adapt and have all kinds of strange, wonderful experiences. But it’s in the third or fourth chapters where a hero actually has to ask himself some tough questions. You can’t be a goofball, erratic underdog in your third season. You can have low ratings, but you can’t be enfant terrible. We have to answer the question, “So what?”
So it’ll be a heavier focus on ensemble.
Yes, but it can’t as simple as doing less of what was cool. If we take our foot off the clutch, we gotta put it on the gas somewhere else, otherwise you’re just watering down a good show. I’m happy to say that right now, I don’t entirely have specifics about what that means. I’m not like George Lucas, going like, “Jar Jar is going to become a Jedi, and that’s gonna change everything.” I think of these things in a very kind of organic, improvisational way. I don’t like the idea of overcorrection, but I get bored with my own stuff. I try to change one major thing that I do each season so far. The first season, I was just defending my show against the world, including all of my employees who were going home by 6 p.m. and wondering why they weren’t involved in the show at all. I was writing in my underwear at home. Second season, because that had to stop, I invited my very talented writers into my horrible psychotic process, and everyone was going like, “Oh, I’m going home at 3 in the morning.” I was learning how to collaborate. In the third season, I’d like to nut up one level higher and actually try to plan some things ahead in terms of story and character. [I'd like to] sit down and say, “OK, it’s the third season. How’s the third season going to end?” And then work backwards from that, just a little bit. Just 8 percent more than we’ve been doing.
I think that will create radical sweeping, fundamental changes to the show’s DNA that should simultaneously make the show feel a little more dependable without making it feel predictable to the people who love it….We’ve actually hit a tipping point there, in terms of storytelling: The future is more important than the past. [Laughs] All of that sounds ridiculous, but we take our show very seriously because that’s what people in TV are supposed to do. You want the show to be stupid, but you don’t want to feel stupid watching it.
Just because he was such a standout this season, I have to ask: What’s going to happen with Ken Jeong’s character, Chang?
What I tried to do from season 1 to season 2 is free him up a little bit because I didn’t want to be guilty of constraining the character or the actor at all. I also didn’t want to get into a template of Chang being the Spanish teacher every week. There’ve been all kinds of reasons that I needed him out of the role of an authority figure, but now that we’ve established that there can be a certain amount of forward movement in each season, I’m actually interested in returning that character to a position of authority. I felt like there was a lot of fun to that. There was an inherent irony to that. When I watch Ken Jeong in The Hangover, a big part of why it’s funny is that he’s naked and jumping out of a trunk, but then when the character comes back, he’s in a suit. He’s in charge of whether you live or die. I want to give his character more opportunities in terms of his role in the group.
What did you think of the Community finale, readers? And what are your ideas for season 3?










Gotta love community. Parks and rec and community have saved NBC Thursday nights. How will we ever make it through this long summer without em? True blood, entourage, weeds, curb. That shld help.
Britta and Annie should hook up next season
(with the beach boys on the background) WOULDN’T IT BE NICE?
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So it says “No comments yet” 20 minutes later…but I bet there will be by the time I post this…
What was the deal with Laurie and Travis from Cougartown? A close-up even, but no explanation, and no acknowledgement in the credits…
I noticed them too! I think it was just their little tribute to the Cougartown references Abed makes, especially his whole story about visiting Cougartown during Critical Film Studies. I think they might film on the same lot too, which probably helped.
Yeah, they’re both Sony Pictures Television.
I heard Cougar Town is also going to feature a little Community tribute next week.
I hope Abed appears on Couar town, that would be awsome,
Abed told a long story about how he went to the Cougar Town set during the Pulp Fiction/My Dinner with Andre episode.
Woo Hoo! Cougar Town shout out! Is it wrong that I said “Hi Trav & Laurie” when I saw them?
I totally missed it – when in the episode did they show up?
Towards the end of the paintball war.
Towards the end when they were ending the fighting…they were in the crowd…with a close-up on their faces…
It was also cool because Laurie was jumping around and Trav was just kind of standing there with a bemused deadpan look on his face. Both were totally in character.
It’s at about the 20 minute mark.
I wouldn’t miss Pierce…
I would. I think they need the sleazy old fart who occasionally generates empathy. Otherwise it’s just a show with young idiots. And sleazy old farts return to community college all the time.
I would miss Pierce terribly.
I wouldnt miss Chang … Blech
I hate you.
Me neither. I sort of hate him a LOT
I think that’s the point of the character. You’re supposed to hate him.
Lol the Cougartown thing reminded me of when Abed told Jeff about going on Cougartown as a background character in the “My Dinner With Andre”. Maybe it was a joke because it was the other way around. Let’s just hope they didnt poop themselves after it was done!! Streets Ahead to Season 3!!!
Stephen — Great interview. One small correction…it’s Greendale, not Glendale.
Thanks.
Rookie
Mark, one small correction…it’s Stephan, not Stephen. : )
I loved the finale and the Star Wars theme. Abed as Han cracked me up! And I loved Magnitude’s death scene. Pop Pop!
such an epic season finale to an epic season
Can we talk about that kiss!? Annie needs to control herself before she goes and starts making out with Shirley!
I wonder who Annie will kiss in the Season 3 finale? (I’m torn between wanting it to be Leonard or Starburns.)
I honestly think this is the best show on television. It is truly fearless and I am looking forward to season 3. What I think makes this the best show is its characterization, meta-references, and how much dark drama can be in a comedy. Thank GOD and NBC and Comcast and whatever/whomever made season 3 possible! Oh, and for Dan Harmon and the cast and crew! Love, viewers
Looks like they got an early jump on cutting out Pierce, it seems he was cropped out of the right side of the photo above!
Thank you so much for the interview! Love Community, love how smart and self-aware Dan is, and can’t wait to go on the journey with everyone who works on the show, wherever it leads.
Glee would be wise to look to Community for guidance. They are both set in schools with ensemble casts and sporadic “themed” episodes. Yet Community is the FAR superior show because of it’s show runner. Dan Harmon seems dedicated to creating a small universe in which every person in it is fleshed out and equally important. I feel the same way about Parks & Rec and they deserve Best Comedy noms. Glee meanwhile deserves nothing except cancelation.
While I agree that Community is somewhat more cohesive, Glee has its redeeming moments. You have to remember that there are basically three different Glees, and you’re never quite sure which one will surface on a given week.
Community has no such problem and so is more consistent in tone and character development. Dan Harmon has a reputation for being a jerk, but he knows what he’s doing when it comes to building a sensible and consistent world.
KEEP PIERCE KEEP PIERCE KEEP PIERCE. I’m starting a keep Pierce campaign.
I think that they are keeping Pierce. The first and second question and answer in the interview seem to suggest that at least part of season 3 will be bringing him back into the group.I don’t think a “keep Pierce” campaign is needed at this time.
Love this show — definitely my favorite of this season. But my question is this: how long can you stretch out a show (with the same characters) at a two-year school?
When did they ever say it was a 2-year school?
They didn’t. In fact, Harmon has said that it’s a four year school and they’re all penciled in for four-year degrees
I am guessing that most of them don’t have enough credits for an associates degree, so they just keep on in community college.
Last night, Pierce said he’d been going there for 12 years. Maybe not realistic for all the characters, but now the precedent is set.
The only reason Pierce attends Community college is to keep his mind active while in retirement (at least that’s his reason in the pilot), he’s not trying to get a degree or anything.
I’ve been wondering the same thing about Glee. The first season I assumed most of the characters were seniors, so how did NONE of the characters graduate in between seasons?
In the first season of Glee one of them said she was a sophmore, and I think all of them are in the same level. So I guess most of the cast are juniors
did everyone forgot about Matt Rutherford from the 1st season of Glee??? He somehow suddenly dissapeared, and no one seems to care… he joined glee club the same time Mike and Puck did… maybe he was a senior and graduated, but the lack of explanation from writers of Glee really disappointed me~
I’m guessing if it’s anything like our local community college, people seem to go there forever.
I know people who got 4 year degrees at Community colleges.
It’s atypical, but not unheard of.