After his experience in the hills, Boyd told Wynn that he’d find Drew in exchange for half the heroin business in the state of Kentucky. Wynn went along with it, because, as he later told Johnny, “I can promise him a rocket ship and a goddamn unicorn.” Is Wynn trying to pull a Limehouse and have the Crowders take care of each other in the end?
I will say this about Wynn Duffy: He is a survivor. He will play every angle. While we’re playing Checkers, he’s playing three-dimensional Chess. I think one of the interesting things that’s emerged about him is that he has no desire to be the king. He is much happier being the king’s hand, as it were.
Random question: Has the sign in Johnny’s bar, “Pay in cash or get served buckshot,” always been there, and I’m just now noticing it?
I think the signage in Johnny’s bar changes at the whim of whoever’s directing the episode. There was stuff on the wall in the third episode that [Jon] Avnet put up that I’d never seen before. Someone could do an in-depth analysis of whatever the hell’s on Johnny’s wall.
Let’s talk about Ellen May: You had a few options for who could’ve picked her up at the end of episode 4, including Johnny or Wynn. Why go with Shelby?
We went with Shelby because he had been kind of bristling at being under Boyd’s control. Time after time, he tells Boyd, “Okay, we’re done,” and Boyd says, “Absolutely.” And then the next week, Boyd’s saying, “Okay, I need you to do this for me.” “Boyd, this has to stop, we’re done.” “Of course, Shelby. That’s fine. I got it. We’re done… Okay, one more thing.” Once Shelby does that thing in episode 4, where he talks to Cassie to see what she knows, he knows that there’s something to be known. He knows there’s a secret having to do with Boyd and Ava, and Ellen May has it. He figures he might get some way to put them away. That plays out over the next bunch of episodes.
Colton not telling Boyd that he lost Ellen May — does he think Boyd will kill him? Is he not thinking clearly because of his addiction?
I think all of the above. And I think he’s also just embarrassed. He was given a job, and he’s supposed to be a professional, and he’s screwed up. He just wants to take care of it himself.
When we will next see Ellen May?
That’s a good question. I’m trying to remember. I believe she’s in episode 8. I think I’ve already told you she plays a critical role for the whole series.
Winona made a brief appearance this episode, and we learned Raylan’s been missing appointments. Why have us see her now, and when might we see her again?
We sorta felt like after the whole thing with Lindsey, and Raylan having shown yet again his blind spot for women, he wants to get back to the most important relationship to him. We’re feverishly negotiating with [Natalie Zea] and the people who are scheduling The Following to make sure we can get her back at least once.